starsan type product now manufactured in Ireland

[brenmurph]

After 6 months working on this and  in Conjunction with the long- established, Carbon chemicals in Cork, they / I are proud to announce that we have formulated a final rinse / spray/ rinse, foaming starsan type product. It is on its way from Cork ( the sample) as I type. The produce is named "Combat"

As the brewing community grows we need to look after one of the most important aspects of brewing ( cleaning / sanitation and we need cost effective solutions, especially us who are very busy home brewers

The H2o2 is being trialled by myself and John RM, hopefully John will feedback to me shortly.
I have used the H2o2 and regularly tested its effectiveness on a weekly basis, there is no shelf life issue with diluted form as suggested around the forum.

The new product will allow us consider a bulk buy and if the H2o2 is anything to go by the price should be excellent, which allows us to be generous with our sanitisation protocols.

H2o2 is 100% biodegradable, starsan is not, we will continue to debate this after I see the product in action on some soiling, mouldy bread and so on

[Eoin]

That's great news Bren, let's hope they get good business out of the micros.

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[Ciderhead]

Fair play Bren for giving it a go.
I just bought enough SS to last me till 2017.


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[Bzfeale80]

Like CH i also just bought starsan but its only 8oz of the stuff. Didn't know that starsan is non-biodegradeable
If this new product is better for the environment and manufactured here in ireland and suitable to use as a non rinse then I would also be interested in it.

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[Eoin]

Bren, how is star san not biodegradable? I understood it breaks down to a yeast nutrient in a brew.

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[brenmurph]

sorry mixup on the starsan quote.

Everything on the planet is biodegradable What I meant was h2o2 is rapidly and harmlessly biodegradable while phosphporic acid does not work that way. Without getting into a debate on phosphates all I can say is that phosphates are an issue with our waterways and as far as I am aware dont break down fully, maybe willD or someone more knowledgeable can comment??

Just like bleach, phosphoric acid ( phosphates?) may not ( open to debate) be the best for the environment while as I understand it h2o2 is completly biogradable.

It up to individuals which solution the want to work with, chlorine, acid or peroxide. I think the micros are divided on whats best, hope this helps.

[brenmurph]

Didn't know that starsan is non-biodegradeable
If this new product is better for the environment and manufactured here in ireland and suitable to use as a non rinse then I would also be interested in it.
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Re bio-degradeable.  The starsan stuff is an acid mix of phosphoric acid and another long winded acid, it on the starsan bottle
H2o2 not normally used or purchased except maybe hairdresers for bleaching is effective at tiny concentrations and fully degrades in a short time to oxygen and water.
I dont believe phosphoric acid does, but maybe a chemist may enlighten us. The paragraph below explains why Im not debating it, its quite complex compared to H2o2.

"Reactivity Profile
Phosphorous acid decomposes when heated to form phosphine, a gas that usually ignites spontaneously in air. Absorbs oxygen from the air to form phosphoric acid [Hawley]. Forms yellow deposits in aqueous solution that are spontaneously flammable upon drying. Reacts exothermically with chemical bases (for example: amines and inorganic hydroxides) to form salts. These reactions can generate dangerously large amounts of heat in small spaces. Dissolution in water or dilution of a concentrated solution with additional water may generate significant heat. Reacts in the presence of moisture with active metals, including such structural metals as aluminum and iron, to release hydrogen, a flammable gas. Can initiate the polymerization of certain alkenes. Reacts with cyanide compounds to release gaseous hydrogen cyanide. May generate flammable and/or toxic gases in contact with dithiocarbamates, isocyanates, mercaptans, nitrides, nitriles, sulfides, and strong reducing agents. Additional gas-generating reactions occur with sulfites, nitrites, thiosulfates (to give H2S and SO3), dithionites (to give SO2), and carbonates (to give CO2)."